Larry King Spreads “The Secret” AGAIN!

 – this time with Joe Vitale on the show!


“I live in a $4.5 million mansion. I have a wife to die for.I get to vacation in all the fabulous spots of the world. Ihave climbed mountains. I have explored. I’ve been onsafaris. And all of this happens and continues to happenbecause of knowing how to apply the secret.” – Jack Canfield

“I would say I would owe it all to the principlesthat are in the movie ‘The Secret'” – Joe Vitale


(plus guest speaker list w/links)


The Power of Positive Thinking

Aired November 16, 2006 – 21:00 ET


LARRY KING, CNN HOST (voice-over):Tonight, want to find true love, make more money, have thelife of your dreams? Then think about it. That’s right. Thepower of your thoughts can improve your life. Soundunthinkable? Well, science says there’s something to it, soengage your brain for an amazing hour that could transformyour world and help you live happily ever after.

It’s all next on LARRY KING LIVE.


KING: Welcome to the second in our series of how to gobeyond the power of positive thinking and use it to changeyour life. Since last week’s show was such a success, wedecided to dive right back into the topic tonight with adifferent set of guests. They’ll tell us how we can use thepower of your imagination and mind to create what we want inour lives and how science supports it.

Our guests are: James Ray, President and CEO of James RayInternational, a multimillion dollar corporation dedicatedto teaching individuals to create wealth in all areas oftheir lives. That’s financially, relation wise,intellectually, physically and spiritually.

Jack Canfield, the famed originator of the “Chicken Soup forthe Soul” series of books. It sold over 100 million copies.Jack was one of the earliest champions of peak performance.And, he’s the co- author of “Dare to Win, the Power ofFocus,” and his latest, “The Success Principles, how to getfrom where you are to where you want to be.”

Dr. Joe Vitale is president of Hypnotic Marketing, Inc. andthe founder and president of the Hypnotic MarketingInstitute. Joe is also an ordained minister, a certifiedmetaphysical practitioner and a certified hypnotherapist.

Dr. George Pratt, chairman of psychology at Scripps MemorialHospital in La Jolla, California and co-author of “InstantEmotional Healing.”

And, finally, Jayne Payne therapist, social worker andlicensed chemical dependence counselor.

We begin with James Ray. What is the law of attraction?JAKMES RAY, CEO, JAMES RAY INTERNATIONAL: Well, Larry,science tells us that every single thing that appears to besolid is actually energy. Your body is energy. Your car isenergy, your house, everything, money, all of it is energy.

You put it under a high-powered microscope it’s nothing morethan a field of energy and a rate of vibration and likevibrations are attracted to each other and dissimilarvibrations repel. So, the law of attraction says when you’rein a certain vibration you’re going to attract to you thatwhich you’re in vibration or harmonic vibration with.

KING : Jack Canfield, do you accept that?

JACK CANFIELD, ORIGINATOR OF “CHICKEN SOUP FOR THE SOUL” SERIE S: Yes, I just basically say the law of attraction sayslike attracts like. So, if you want to be successful youneed to come from a place of vibrating that you’resuccessful. You need to be thinking about the successes youalready have.

If you want to attract more money you need to be thinkingabundantly, so even though you might only be making $40,000a year you want to be focusing on your gratitude for thatcoming from a state of abundance.

And then what happens is you’ll attract more abundance toyou. If you’re talking all the time about what you don’twant or how bad it is, then what you’re going to attract ismore how bad it is.

KING : Is this science, Joe?

JOE VITALE, HYPNOTIC MARKETING INSTITUTE: It sure is on afundamental level whatever you focus on you get more of. Ifyou’re focusing on lack, you’re going to get more lack. Ifyou focus on abundance, you’re going to get more abundance.

I tell people find something in your life right now to begrateful for because at that point you will start to attractmore things to be grateful for. It’s absolutely workable,testable science.

KING : Can you really, Dr. Pratt, make your own happiness? Imean let’s say you go downstairs and your car has just beenhit. You can’t be happy that minute.

DR. GEORGE PRATT, SCRIPPS MEMORIAL HOSPITAL: You can’tcontrol external circumstances. All you can do is balanceyourself so that if something traumatic happened we want toteach people how to balance themselves very rapidly. So,shifting it to the positive allows you to actually changeyour life.

KING : Jayne, you deal in chemical dependency, right?


KING : How can you do this if you’re depressed? PAYNE: Welldepression…

KING : Bipolar.

PAYNE : Bipolar, bipolar is a phenomena that has long beensaid it needs medication and I’m not going to argue withthat. However, they have done scientific research that showsthat depression is anger turned inward. And, anger usuallycome from unresolved issues.

And so, what I like to do with someone that comes to methat’s depressed, I tell them “Focus on the point ofreference in your life that’s positive and look at whatcaused that positive effect.” And then they have somethingtangible to work with.

KING : James are we always all day long attracted or notattracted to things? Is this a constant “I like that, Idon’t like this, I want this, I don’t want that?”

RAY : We are. I mean we’re consistently attracting. I meanevery single thing you have in your life right now you’reeither in resonance with it or, if it’s not in your life,you’re not in resonance with it.

If you want to create anything you want, anything youdesire, you have to practice what I call going three forthree. Your thoughts, your feelings, and your actions allneed to be firing simultaneously and in alignment. When yougo three for three, you’re absolutely unstoppable. You cancreate anything you want.

KING : Jack, do we create our own positive negatives?

CANFIELD : I do believe that. I think we’re constantlycreating whatever comes into our life and if you focus onwhat you want, as Joe said earlier, you get what you want.If you focus on what you don’t want, you get more of that.

And we often think we’re focusing on something like saying”I don’t want to be overweight anymore.” But what we’refocusing on is overweight anymore. So, we have to state itin a more positive way.

And when we do that what happens is our mind and ouremotions follow our thoughts and then our behaviors followour emotions. I choose to make myself happy. Abraham Lincolnsaid back in 1865 happiness is a choice and the fact is itreally is.

KING: True, Joe, if your house burns down it’s how you reactto your house burning down?

VITALE : No, I’m going to disagree with a couple of thethings said here.

KING : Good.

VITALE : Oh, you like this. Well, I’m going to disagreebecause I believe that you are attracting everything, everylittle thing, the car accident, everything that you couldname but we’re doing it on an unconscious level. We’re notaware of it.

KING : I attracted my own car accident?

VITALE : You absolutely did. We are attracting everythingunconsciously. That’s why we have to read the books, likeJack’s books or Jayne’s books or my books so that we canbegin to wake up.

We can begin to take conscious control of what we’ve beendoing unconsciously. At this point, we want to start lookingat why did I attract it? Yes, you can put a positive spin onwhy you attracted it but I’m saying you did attract it.

KING : What, Dr. Pratt, is the law of vibration?

PRATT : The law of vibration is — reflects a certain harmonyor being in sync with something. You’ve heard of thatphrase, “You’re on my frequency.” Everything has a frequencyand, if we go to super string theory, everything is littlevibrating packets of energy. So, we have a frequency.

KING : Let me get a break.

Up next, you can’t get what you want in life until you knowwhat you want in life. We’ve got some simple advice that canhelp you put together your personal wish list when LARRYKING LIVE continues.


RAY : The universe states, there’s a law in your universethat says the more you give the more you get or receive.This is true in your finances, no or yes?

I really wasn’t a great student in school. I was one ofthose individuals who always wanted to get out and dosomething.

Let me tell you something about real wealth. We’re going todiscuss that a lot this evening because I can guarantee youthis. You might go after the money and get rich. It doesn’tmean you’re going to be wealthy.

I got hit head on by a car in the late ’90s and it justtotally changed my life, late ’80s I should say. It justtotally changed my life because I had to step back andrealize that, you know, the physical body could be taken outin an instant.

And so I started looking at things a lot differently. It wasa real significant emotional event for me.

Your one purpose on this planet, one purpose on this planet,is to grow. That’s it.

There’s never been a time in my life where I didn’t feellike the most important thing was to understand the laws ofthe universe and how things worked and how they applied tobody, mind, and spirit.

You see I’ve been talking about quantum physics for over adecade and most people in the audience have drool running.They’re like what? And now, now people are opening theirminds.

And what I realize is that no matter where you are in lifechallenges are a part of life and to think otherwise isillusion. It really is. You know we always have challengesin life and the bigger the game you play, the bigger thechallenges.




RAY : Every great tradition has told you that you werecreated in the image and the likeness of the creativesource. That means that you have got potential and power tocreate your world and you are. You are. And maybe you’vecreated things to this point that are wonderful and worthyof you and maybe you haven’t.


KING : Jayne Payne, are you agreeing with what’s been said sofar?

PAYNE : Yes. One of the interesting things I found workingwith clients that come to me, usually I get clients thataren’t manifesting what they want in their life. That’s whythey’re seeing me.

And one of the things I look at is they’re operating out ofunresolved issues, particularly of abandonment. And so onceI work through the grief process of those issues, what Ifind is a lot of people the reason they’re not attractingwhat they want in their life is they’re operating out ofneed.

If they’d operate out of want and desire, then they wouldget what they want. So, I talk about and I have them focus alot of desire, belief, and then expect it to happen.

KING : Jack Canfield, how do we find out what we want inlife? That may sound ridiculous but a lot of people probablydon’t know.

CANFIELD : Well, there are a number of ways but one of theways that I like to start with my clients is what I callcreate an irritation list. Go through your house, yourapartment, your office, your garage, list down everythingthat isn’t exactly the way you want it and that tells youwhat you’re not satisfied with.

Now you take it from that level to what she was just talkingabout and turn it into the vision of what you would like tohave. I want that door to close without it slamming. I wantthe picture not to do this. I want it to be straight, youknow. I want my people in my office to be positive.

KING : Some people might take a month with an irritationlist.

CANFIELD : Well, you know, usually about two hours you canget it done. Then you go through and you create the oppositeso you know what you want. And then what you have to do isschedule time to go ahead and do it.

Like I say if you take a weekend and just handle all thelittle things and why is this important? Most of us aretalking about our big vision, our big goals, world peace,things like that, becoming a millionaire.

But, if you don’t handle the little irritations and yousettle for them what happens is you go into subtleresignation, “I can’t have what I want” and you have to numbout your awareness to see it. And then you numb out thatlittle kid inside that says “Wow, I can have everything.”

KING : Joe, how do you clear out negative self talk?

VITALE : One of my favorites is to become a loving detectiveof your own mental activity. So, in other words, thoughtsare going through our brains right now. They’re goingthrough yours. They’re going through mine. They’re goingthrough your listeners, the watchers, all of this.

Some are positive. Some are negative. What you want to do isstart to notice which ones are the ones that make you feelgood and you want to reach for the thoughts that feel good.You start to go in the direction of having more of those.

And, going back to my earlier statement fundamental law andpsychology you get more of whatever you focus on. Focus onthe positive thoughts and those negative ones are going tostart to drop away or you won’t pay attention to them asmuch.

KING : In a moment, we’ll take a question from the audience.

But, James, what are the five areas you focus on?

RAY : I’ve coined something I call harmonic wealth andharmonic wealth has five key pillars, financial, relational,intellectual, physical, and spiritual. You see I talk topeople all the time who have one, two, maybe three of thoseand they still feel unfulfilled. A true state of wealth is astate of harmonic wealth and when you’re there you’rereally, really wealthy.

KING : Let’s take a question from members of our studioaudience who are with us today. Let’s go to C.J. Minster(ph) — C.J.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you. In light of the generalinflexibility in the U.S. workforce how is it possible toplan for a family while planning your career path?

KING : Who wants to grab that?

CANFIELD : Well I think the underlying assumption is what wecall either/or. I can either have this family or I can havework. And, if you take the position you can have both andmake that your goal, make that your vision, startvisualizing that that’s what you want, believing you canhave it, creating the vibration of what it would be likeimagining having a perfect integrated life of fulfillment atwork and fulfillment at home.

And, if you do that, then what will happen is yourunconscious will begin to come up with the ideas, the waysto create that. You’ll attract to you the workopportunities, the resources, the right boss, whatever it isto do that. So the main thing is the assumption is wrong.

KING : Do all of you agree with the concept of visualization?


VITALE : Absolutely. That’s a powerful thing.

CANFIELD : The mind thinks in pictures.

VITALE : I would add to it though, I don’t thinkvisualization by itself is quite enough that a lot of peopleare using mental imagery and they are getting some results,not always the results that they want, not always as fast asthey want.

I have written about this. I have said that you have to addfeeling to it. So, in other words, when you’re visualizingthat you’re in this new car or in your Maui home or whateverit happens to be, you don’t just see the picture of it andyou don’t see just you in the picture.

You see yourself experiencing it as if it’s right now. Youfeel it. You see it. You live it. When you do that youaccelerate the manifestation process. You go way beyondpositive thinking.

KING : What’s a positive affirmation, Jayne.

PAYNE : A positive affirmation is something that you usuallytell yourself every day and I usually do it visually with myclients. I have them do poster boards and I have them mapout where they want to go.

And I have them actually physically cut out pictures and Iput them on the board, have them put them on the board andthey look at them daily and they affirm to themselves daily.”This is what I want. This is where I’m going to go.” Andthen I have them take it a step further. I have them take itto where what will it feel like when you get there?

CANFIELD : Kids do this naturally. My son when he wanted asurfboard all of a sudden his whole wall was covered withsurfboard pictures.

VITALE : Yes. Yes.

CANFIELD : They naturally do this. And then somehow we gettalked out of it as we grow up as adults and we stop doingit.

PRATT : Besides adding the emotion which is so important toadd all five sensory channels is extremely powerful. We knowthis from the Soviet studies on enhanced performance. Thebrain can’t really tell the difference between a real eventand a highly-imaged experience.

KING : Coming up — let me get a break and we’ll be rightback. Unlucky in love, our panel has some great advice onhow to trade Mr. Wrong for Mr. Right or Ms. Wrong for Ms.Right when LARRY KING LIVE continues.


CANFIELD : Events plus responses equal outcomes and if youdon’t get the outcomes you want it’s because you haven’tresponded correctly to the events that have occurred upuntil that time.

My mom and my dad got divorced when I was six and so Isettled in Wheeling, West Virginia, grew up in a kind of anormal lower middle class life.

Then you have to be willing to ask yourself, “What am Iwilling to sacrifice in terms of time, effort, resources,money, et cetera, in order to achieve those goals?”

And it was in Chicago that I met this man named W. ClementStone, who was a self-made multi-millionaire and he wasworth $600 million and he took me under his wing andbasically said to me, “If you’ll teach these successprinciples to others, I’ll teach them to you.”

And that’s really what I see, the kind of work I do which iswe remove the block so the natural essence of who you arecomes forward without effort. In fact, it gets easier.

Yes, I think one of the key principles of success is nevergive up. You have to persevere, called consistentpersistence, and the best example would be “Chicken Soup forthe Soul.” When we went to sell that book we were rejectedby every major publisher in New York, all 22 of the bigones.

And the key there is that over 14 months of rejections fromthe time we started in New York until we finally got apublisher and the message is never give up on your dreamsbecause if we’d stopped after 100 and said “Well obviouslythis isn’t supposed to happen,” I wouldn’t be sitting heretoday.

And what I found in life is if you ask people to supportyou, nine times out of ten they will.




I live in a $4.5 million mansion. I have a wife to die for.I get to vacation in all the fabulous spots of the world. Ihave climbed mountains. I have explored. I’ve been onsafaris. And all of this happens and continues to happenbecause of knowing how to apply the secret.


KING : We’re back with our panel. The importance of learningto love yourself first, James, before you love anybody isthat true? If you don’t love yourself, you can’t loveanybody else?

RAY : It’s absolutely true, Larry. You see I travel allaround the world and the whole concept of soul mate is ofteninherently flawed because it says that your completion oryour better half resides outside yourself.

Intellectually we know better than that. I mean yourcompletion doesn’t reside outside yourself. Your completionresides inside yourself. You will never, ever attract aperfect relationship with another human being into your lifeuntil you first and foremost have a perfect relationshipwith yourself.

KING : Why, Jack, in life probably the hardest thing ismaintaining a happy relationship?

CANFIELD : Well because we tend to project the unexpressedparts of ourself, the unaccepted parts of ourself out ontothe other person and we keep trying to get them to change sothat we’ll be happy.

And really what the value of a relationship is, is toreflect back and mirror back to us the parts of ourself wehaven’t integrated love in order to express fully.

So, if we learn that then we can create a great relationshipso that when my wife, I, you know, “is making me angry,” Ireally look inside and say “Well what is it about me thatI’m rejecting in her that I need to clean up?” And if I cando that, then the relationship becomes a fabulous place togrow and a fabulous place for fulfillment.

KING : Are you in trouble, Joe, if your emotional happinessis dependent on someone else?

VITALE : Yes, absolutely. In fact, if you’re trying to gobeyond positive thinking, you’re trying to manifest anythingand you’re sending out these negative energies aboutaddiction, about obsession, about emotional need then that’swhat you’re going to get more of and you will have a veryfractured relationship that is not going to last.

KING : Dr. Pratt, the importance of healing after arelationship ends before a new one starts.

PRATT : Essential, people (INAUDIBLE).

KING : Can’t go from one to the other?

PRATT : No. You need a little time to heal, to learn aboutyourself and understand what happened in the relationship.And, if you’re having a problem with somebody unless thereis some pretty other serious circumstances, there is amirror there so those — you have learned something aboutyourself in the process.

KING : Why do people keep dating the same or being involvedwith the same kind of person that hurt him before?

PAYNE : Yes, that’s a good one because dealing withaddictions, one of the biggest causes of relapse inaddictions, by the way, is relationship issues. And, thebottom line is, is at the point of abandonment it begins aloss of our identity. And what happens is then we spend therest of our time trying to look for that missing piece andwe look for it in others. And the bottom line is it’s not inothers, it’s in ourselves.

KING : We have an audience question from Alexandra Goldman –Alexandra.

ALEXANDRA GOLDMAN: My question is how do you maintain asuccessful love relationship while growing as an individualwhen people so often grow apart?

KING : James.

RAY : Well, one of the things that I suggest you do is sitdown with your mate and talk about where you’re going andwhat’s important to you in your relationship. Once you dothat then you can take steps together to begin moving inthat direction.

KING : What about relationship addictions, doctor?

PRATT : You can become addicted to anything. That’s when youfind some fulfillment or you get a release of dopamine orsome other neuro chemical when you’re around them. Itcreates a high. And that the absence of that puts you into astate of deprivation.

KING : Joe, can you hypnotize yourself out of a badrelationship?

VITALE : That’s an interesting question.

KING : Say you’re in love, you’re hung up and it’s goingnowhere and you want to get out but you can’t get out.

VITALE : Oh, you can always get out. Your hypnotized yourselfinto it actually. You know you’re talking — yes, so youabsolutely did. You know I wrote this whole book, “TheAttractor Factor.” There’s five steps on achieving whateveryou want.

But actually since I wrote it, I found that there’s onlythis one step and this one step is, and I can’t do it allthe time, and I don’t know anybody else that can do it allthe time, but it cuts through the relationship. It breaksthe trance. It fulfills a lot of things we need. Be happy inthis moment. Be happy now. This is the point of power.Everything else is in the past or in the future.

KING : Just ahead, positive thinking and your pocketbook.Find out how it can pay off financially when LARRY KING LIVEcomes back.


VITALE : When I was in Dallas, and this would have been inthe late ’70s, I was virtually, I was not virtually, I washomeless for a short period of time. You don’t ever want tobe homeless for a single day but I was for a short period oftime.

But throughout it all, I was always maintaining my vision,my goal, my focus. I want to be an author. I want to writebooks. And I would say I would owe it all to the principlesthat are in the movie “The Secret,” the principles I talkabout in my books like “The Attractor Factor,” and, ofcourse, through never giving up, never giving up the dream,the desire, the hope, that vision and constantly goingforward with it.

Because you are the masterpiece of your own life, you arethe Michelangelo of your own life. The David that you aresculpting is you.




VITALE : Well another thing people wonder about is how longis this going to take? How long will it take to manifest thecar, the relationship, the money whatever it happens to be?

Well, I don’t have any rule book that says it’s going totake you 30 minutes or three days or 30 days. I think it’smore a matter of you being in alignment with the universeitself.


KING : We’re back on this very special edition of beyond thepower of positive thinking. Our guests are James Ray,president and CEO of James Ray International; Jack Canfield,the famed originator of the “Chicken Soup for the Soul”series; Dr. Joe Vitale, president of the Hypnotic Marketing,Incorporated organization and founder and president of theHypnotic Marketing Institute; Dr. George Pratt is chairmanof psychology at Scripps Memorial Hospital in La Jolla,California; and Jayne Payne is a therapist, social workerand a licensed chemical dependent counselor.

We’re going to talk about money in this segment. James,what’s — explain the power of partnerships.

RAY : Well, I made a decision several years ago, over adecade ago, that really changed my life. I made a decision Iwasn’t going to spend high quantity time with people Ididn’t want to be.

KING : This is in the financial area we’re discussing.

RAY : Yes. Financially or anyway — in any area, actually.You know, because I looked around at the people I washanging out with, and they weren’t going the same places Iwas going, they weren’t doing the same things I was doing,they weren’t thinking the way I was thinking. So they wereholding me back.

So I made a decision to start spending more time with peoplethat were like-minded and moving in the direction I wasgoing. KING: Jack, explain the time management system.

CANFIELD : Well, basically the system is divided into threeparts. You divide your days into three kind of days. Focusdays, free days and buffer days.

And a focus day is 85 percent of your time is focused on the20 percent of your life that produces 80 percent of theresults. So each of us has something that we do naturallythat we would call our core genius. For me it’s teaching,speaking, writing, et cetera.

The second kind of day is a free day. It’s midnight tomidnight with no work related activity. And by thatdefinition, there are some people who haven’t had a free dayin three years. And what we now know from the studies is thepeople that take more free days actually end up making moremoney, because when they’re off, that’s when the creativeideas come forward, the inspirations for new products, newideas, new services, new ways to be in the world.

And the third kind of day is a buffer day. And that’s whenyou are doing the things like delegating, preparation. Youhave to go out there and run around and do your laundry andget all that stuff done.

But the point is, that we do have to have those days. So thekey is, you want to have more focus days, more free days andless buffer days. And you want to have your scheduledetermine what kind of day it is, so you’re not justresponding to people, you’re intentional.

KING : Joe, how do we increase the speed of attainingfinancial career goals?

VITALE : I think it is a couple of things. One of them isfocussing on what you want, being very clear on the amountof money, making sure it’s a stretch, but it’s stillbelievable.

Another thing is to visualize it with feeling, making surethat that feeling element is there.

And the third is to be taking action, and make sure thatyou’re acting on the ideas. Because when your statedintention is that you want to have so much money, and startto take action for it, you will start to go in thatdirection. You’ll start to have ideas, but your bargain isyou have to act on those ideas or nothing will get done.

KING : Doctor, is a personal coach a good idea?

PRATT : I think we all need coaching. And I think we can allbenefit from learning in new ways.

I know that when you’re thinking about coaching or usingothers as resources, even in the financial area, new ideascan present some very interesting opportunities.

KING : Go ahead. I want to get an audience question, but goahead, Joe.

VITALE: OK, I just wanted to — you asked aboutcoaching. I want to point out how important it is to have acoach, because most of us are thinking within this littleball and nest of beliefs. We don’t know what the beliefs arebecause they are what we think all the time. Somebody else,a coach on the outside can listen to you and feedback to youwhat your own thoughts are.

KING : An objective.

VITALE : Objective person, yes.

KING : We have a question in the audience from Rob Christie(ph) — Rob.


Thank you, everybody.

I’m a single man with a single income, and I love my job. Ilove what I do. But it puts me at a certain financial level,and are there any actual steps that you can recommend tohelp me obtain my goal of buying a house and, moreimportantly, buying a house where I want to live, which isat the beach?

KING : James, is he thinking out of bounds?

RAY : Well, you know, it really depends. You’ve got to getreally clear. If that house is what you want, then you’vegot to, again, think, feel and act as if you are going toget that house. You’ve got to take the action.

You know, I’ve worked with several individuals who couldn’tcome up with the money for the down payment, but they wentahead and took the action towards it, and by and large, theyattracted $100,000, $20,000 here, $10,000 here from theirfriends and family. And they bought the home.

So you’ve got to take that action. You’ve got to moveforward, thinking, feeling, acting and knowing that you cando that. And you can make it happen. You really can.

CANFIELD : My mentor was a man named W. Clement Stone, whoworth $600 million when I worked for him. And he taught methis principle. And I was a teacher in Chicago making $8,000a year. And I took a course with him. And he said I want youto set a goal that’s so big that if you achieve it, you’llknow it’s because of what I’m teaching you.

So I set a goal to make $100,000 in one year. Now, youknow,they don’t pay you more to become a good teacher. So Ihad no idea how I was going to do that, but I visualized it,I had an affirmation, I felt the feelings, I saw myselfliving in this $100,000 lifestyle.

And to make a long story short, what happened was I startedgetting ideas. I would be in the shower and this inspirationwould come, hey, you have a book. It gets 25 cents royaltyevery time it gets sold. If you sell 400,000 copies of thatbook, you’d make $100,000.

Now, I didn’t know how to do that. My publisher didn’t knowhow to do that. But I started visualizing 400,000 bookcopies sold. And what changed it was my wife said one daythat if we were a bookstore, we would make three dollars abook, then we’d only have to sell 33,000 copies. And by theend of the year we had a mail-order bookstore with 32different books and tapes and we made $92,328. And I wasstill a teacher making $8,000, which gives me what?

A $100,000 a year income.

VITALE : Get the house.

KING : We’ll take a break and be back with more.

Still to come, the keys to using emotional awareness tocontrol your physical health.

Don’t go away.


PAYNE : Relationship addictions are a loss of one’s self thatoccurs when abandonment occurs. And what happens at thepoint of abandonment, when we’re given messages, because weare sexual beings, we’re given messages that say, you’re notOK as a girl, you’re not OK as a boy. And we grow up feelingthat we’re not OK as sexual beings, so what we do is we tryto get those two parts to come together by getting intoconstant relationships over and over and over again.

And so when those don’t work, we eventually end up finallygrieving the loss of the abandonment and we stop abandoningourselves.



RAY: How can you ever expect anyone else to enjoy yourcompany if you don’t enjoy your own company? And so, again,the Law of Attraction, or the secret is about bringing thatinto your life. And you’ve got to get really, really clear.

Here’s a question I want to ask you to consider. Do youtreat yourself the way that you want other people to treatyou?


KING : We’re back. Jayne Payne, how do we change habits?

PAYNE : One of the ways to change habits is first becomeaware you have one. And that’s where the outside coachingcomes in. And usually people that have habits that are notworking for them in their lives will end up in some form oftherapy or end up in some kind abusive relationships orgetting negative responses.

KING : This panel is not against therapy, is it? UNIDENTIFIEDMALE: Not at all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not at all. I think works.

PAYNE : It works together…

KING : How do you cure an addiction, George?

PRATT : Well, you get to the source of it. You support. Youchange your thinking. You make decisions, you write goals,you go to some kind of 12 step group and you apply theself-calming techniques that are available in a number ofresources.

KING : Jayne, explain your intensive grief weekends.

PAYNE : OK. The grief weekends are a weekend where peoplecome and they go down to the very core issue, the verybottom line of why they aren’t accomplishing what they wantto accomplish in life.

And we work through it, through the grieving process. And atthe end, we have a funeral. We bury it. And therefore it isno more. And I always get to the point where we talk at theend, if you go within, you never go without.

KING : Are you saying you can think good health?

RAY : You can. You can. You can just as easily think goodhealth as you can think poor health. You’ve to give yourattention to something, Larry. So energy flows whereattention goes. If you get up every single morning and youare giving all your attention to how overweight, out ofshape and broke you are, then energy is going to flow inthat direction.

KING : Yes, but you can’t outthink cancer.

RAY : Well, there is a lot of documented cases where therehas been complete remission, complete turnaround.

You know, cancer is a process. And your body turns over. Weknow that in the medical profession, that your body turnsover every seven years or less, every cell, every bone,everything. So when you’re diagnosed with a cancer, it is aprocess of cancering yourself. When you stop that process,you can reverse it. And there is plenty of documented cases.

KING : You work with dolphins?

PRATT : Yes. I do seminars in Hawaii. And that includesswimming with dolphins.

KING : What do you do?

PRATT : Well, it is a heck of a lot of fun to begin with. Soit is helpful for our own neurochemicals. But an interestingstudy came out in a British medical journal last fall thatin the clinical trials, swimming with dolphins one hour aday for 10 days helped to reset mild to moderate depression,interestingly.

And I also want to say one thing about what you were sayingthat ties into the dolphins, and that is I want people to –in the prevention process, to be going through a gratitudelist in the shower, 10 things in the morning, to make surethey get at least three laughs during the day, to do somedeep breathing and seeing whatever they want to have happenfor two minutes a day.

KING : So is there any area of life this doesn’t work?

VITALE : What a great question.

KING : That’s why I asked it.

VITALE : I’m glad you did. I’m glad you did. You know, Idon’t know that there are any limits whatsoever. I keepfinding out that what we think is a limit doesn’t become alimit. Once we start addressing it, we set a goal to go pastit. I mean, it is the old four-minute mile, it’s about goingto the moon, it’s about, you know, Larry, I was homeless atone point. I was in poverty for the longest time. I’m now abit of an Internet celebrity. I have got more books than Ican remember that are out there, most of which are best-sellers. Last week, I bought myself one of 300 hand-madeluxury sports cars, a Panoz Esperante, and I’m a guy who washomeless 30 some years ago, paying cash for a luxury car.

You can change your life and you can dissolve anything thatyou think is your limit. Thirty years ago, I would havesaid, no, I can’t get a — what is a sports car?

KING : Jayne, you put any limit on anything?

PAYNE : No. There are no limits. Our unconscious mind doesn’tknow anything is not possible. And if you tap into that…

GANFIELD : Let me tell you a really interesting story. Thisguy named Cliff Young shows up at a race in Australia, 61years old, he’s wearing Oshkosh overalls, a t-shirt,baseball cap, construction boots and galoshes. And it’s asix-day run from Sydney to Melbourne, 650 kilometers. Allthe young guys who are there, these elite runners, and theythink this guy is crazy, he can’t possibly do this.

So they all take off and they’re all running really fast,and Cliff is kind of doing this what they call the CliffYoung shuffle.

And the thing he didn’t know, because he had never read abook on racing, he’d never talked to a runner, he just readwhat was in the paper and wanted to go do it, is that onthese long runs, you’re supposed to run for 18 hours, sleepfor six.

So that night when everyone went to sleep, he was so farbehind, no one told him to go to bed. He ran right byeverybody and ran nonstop for five and a half days, Larry,and broke the record of that race by 12 hours.

And he came back the next year, everyone was doing the CliffYoung shuffle, and there were 70 people in the race and theyall broke records. But he came in number 12 out of 70.

So he didn’t know there was a limit. He didn’t know you weresupposed to do that.

And we’re all controlled by what we have been told ispossible instead of told as children, anything is possible.

KING : So the old axiom, mind over matter, works?

GANFIELD : Indeed.

KING : When we come back, we’ll talk about some of the keysteps that can help you find success. We’ll be right back.


PRATT : It has been very interesting over the years. Istarted in practice, always trying to help people be theirbest, and that wasn’t always the case with psychology ingeneral. Some people were more oriented in differentdirections. But mine was a more positive approach, which isnow popular.

And I will tell you that even though my seminars that I dowhere we do end up swimming with dolphins in the wild — wedon’t bother them, we let them swim by us if they want to –is what happens to people after the seminar, combination ofeducation and then being in the energetic field with thedolphins, it’s pretty phenomenal. People are — they’restrengthened, they’re empowered, and they feel like they cando what they need to do. And whether you think you can dosomething or you can’t, you’re right. So you might as wellfocus on the positive.




GANFIELD : Decide what you want. Believe you can have it.Believe you deserve it. Believe it is possible for you. Andthen close your eyes every day for several minutes andvisualize having what you already want and feeling thefeelings of already having it.

Come out of that, and focus on what you’re grateful foralready. And really be — enjoy it, OK? And then go intoyour day and release it to the universe, and trust that theuniverse will figure out how to manifest it.


KING : James Ray, you say gratitude is the most powerfulforce. Does it work?

RAY : It really is. Well, energy flows where attention goes.If you have a relationship, a romantic relationship, andyou’re grateful and you love him or her, you give themattention, right? If you have children and you love them,you give them attention. Attention equals love.

KING : Why aren’t we grateful?

RAY : Most people are in love with their misery, becausethey’re attending to it all the time. It’s like a roaringbonfire and they’re throwing another log on it every day.

KING : Jack, what…

GANFIELD : Focus on what you’re grateful for. What it focusesyou on is what you want more in your life. The reason you’regrateful is it makes you happy. You’re feeling good aboutit. So by focusing your gratitude on that, as you weresaying every morning, you know, go through a gratitude list– I spend seven minutes every morning writing down what I’mgrateful for.

KING : Joe, what is the danger of feeling desperate?

VITALE : You’re going to attract more desperation. The energythat you send out is the attractor. This is from my book,”The Attractor Factor.” It’s got to pull back whatever it isthat you’re feeling. You’re going to get more of it. So ifyou’re feeling desperate, the only thing that you’re goingto notice, the only thing that you’re going to attract aremore feelings, thoughts and situations that will make youfeel desperate.

KING : Perseverance is very important, right, doc?

PRATT : Perseverance, persistence, developing new habits.

KING : And that can be taught.

PRATT : It can be taught and it can be practiced. And themore you practice it, the better you get.

KING : We have another question from our audience, fromElizabeth Decosta (ph). Elizabeth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, guys. So I’ve been working theprinciples and staying positive and all of that. My questionis, how do you politely address those around you, whetherthey’re friends or family, who don’t support you or are noton the same path and — well, actually turn down your goals,your dreams and your aspirations? Are you supposed to, like,remove them from your circle, or how do you…

KING : Great question. I will go to Jayne first and then…

PAYNE : The thing that I’ve found with working with this formany years is once you begin to have that attraction in yourlife, and once you begin to put that into motion and itbegins to happen for you, an amazing thing happens. Thesethings just kind of fall away from your life, because you’reno long attracting them. So they kind of resolve themselves.They will just eventually dissipate because you’reattracting something new into your life. And when weeliminate something out of our life, we replace it withsomething else.

KING : James?

RAY : The things we’re talking about here, your peer groupwill change. When you choose to pursue your greatness,you’ll represent the courage, in many cases, that otherpeople don’t have. And so you’ve got to be prepared forthat.

But it will, as Jayne said, take care of itself. It doesn’tmean they’re not good people. They’re wonderful people, as Ibelieve all people are, but they’re not going in the samedirection you are.

And so — you still love them, but I would recommend youdon’t spend high quantity time with people who aren’t in thesame mindset.

KING : Jack, what’s the importance of responding to feedback?

CANFIELD : Well, basically, I teach that the way to improveis to solicit and respond to feedback. So I teach a questionthat my wife and I use once a week, and that I teach otherpeople to use. On a scale of one to ten, how would you ratethe quality of our relationship, or how would you rate thequality of this show or this product or service we have?

Anything less than ten gets a follow-up question: what wouldit take to make it a ten?

So one time I did this with my wife and she said six. And Isaid, wow what would it take to make it a ten?

She said don’t interrupt me when I’m telling a joke becauseyou think you can tell a punchline better. She said your jobis to put the kids to bed. I don’t care if it is the NBAplayoffs, I don’t want to have to remind you. You don’tremind me to get them up in the morning. She went on withabout five or six other things. But now I have five ways Ican improve my relationship. Most people don’t ask forfeedback because they are afraid of what they’re going tohear.

KING : What if you disagree?

CANFIELD : You don’t have to agree. You don’t have to do it.But at least I know what, in her perception, would allow therelationship to go forward.

And here’s the other thing. Most people don’t ask and thereason is they’re afraid to hear it. I say, look, if youdon’t ask your wife or your children or whatever, they’vealready — your wife’s already told her mother, hergirlfriend, the people at work, the people at thesupermarket, the people in the hair salon. You’re the onlyone who doesn’t know.

KING : Coming up in our final segment, how to make the startof your day the start of a new life.

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KING : We’re back.

I want to get some questions in from the audience and windup from each of our panelists.

Jocelyn McCarthy (ph).


Hi, thank you.

My question is how do you manage personal, professional andspiritual life in this demanding society?

RAY : That’s harmonic wealth. It really is. You know, I thinkyou — I think that presupposes that you can’t do that. Youabsolutely can. You absolutely can. You need to make adecision you can. You need to sit down.

I would encourage you to sit down right now and make a listof the five key areas of life, financial, relational,intellectual, physical, spiritual and what exactly you wantto create and attract in each of those areas. And then keepyour attention on that, regardless of what’s going on aroundyou and you’ll begin to create it.

KING : And one more from Ron Drescher (ph) and then afollow-up with each of our panelists — Ron.

QUESTION : All right.

Thank you.

I want to be more happy, spiritual and at peace in my life.How do I get started?

KING : Joe?

VITALE: Find things to be grateful for right now.Right in this moment. The fact that you can ask thisquestion, the fact that you are alive, the fact that you’rebreathing, the fact that you’re living wherever you’reliving.

Find a reason to be grateful, much like you mentionedearlier, with a tear in your eye because it is so genuinefor you. Out of that gratitude you will find more things tobe grateful for. And out of that gratitude you will findhappiness right now.

KING : Jack, explain give more to get more.

CANFIELD : Well, basically, the universe responds. If yougive, it comes back to you. We’ve been talking about givingout vibrations. The vibrations come back. The same is truewith money. If I give more money, more money tends to comeback in my life.

Every time, Larry, that I’ve gone and done some kind ofvolunteer work, something’s happened out of that experiencewhere I’ve met somebody, maybe a bank president, who thenhires me to come speak to his company.

It always comes back. So basically, people that aresuccessful — I mean, you had Donald Trump and Kiyosaki onyour program not so long ago. And they’re two of the biggestgivers I know. And so by giving, they get more back. And Ithink that it’s true for all of us. So givers get.

KING : Dr. Pratt, how do you start a new day to start a newlife?

PRATT : Well, I like the gratitude list in the morning. Andthen doing the two minutes of imagery of the differentelements that you want. If you want to change something inyour life, make that part of the end result imagery, interms of balance, spiritually, mentally, physically, etcetera. Make that part of that two-minute imagery, so thatyou can come back to it, so you’re mindful during the day,you’re aware of it. And so your attention is continuing tobe focussed on it.

KING : Jayne, isn’t change the hardest thing?

PAYNE : Actually…

KING : The thing we fear the most.

PAYNE : … it’s the thing that’s feared the most.

However, change within itself will happen automaticallywhether we want it or not. Change goes on every day. It’show we react to the change in our life that determines whatthe outcome will be.

KING : James, how about world problems and the effect ondaily life? You look at an Iraq or you look at hurricanes,North Korea setting off a bomb.

RAY : Right. KING: It’s easy to say, I’m not too sure abouttomorrow.

RAY : It is. I mean, we have a nation in fear. We have aworld in fear because we’re bombarded all the time with thethings that are going on that appear to be so heinous.

But here’s the thing, we live in a dualistic world. The lawof polarity says if there’s an up, there’s a down, ifthere’s an in, there’s an out. What that means is if you’rein a really challenging situation in your life right now,there’s something there that’s really amazing about it aswell. But you’re not putting your attention upon it.

See, when you shift your attention, you being to think aboutit. During the difficult times in our life, Larry, we learnand grow the most through challenges. Don’t wish for aneasier life. We wish for greater capability to easeelegantly through life.

KING : Only have a minute or so left.

Do you have bad days, Jack?

CANFIELD : I don’t have bad days. I can’t say I never had…

KING : You don’t have bad days?


KIND : You have bad days, Joe?

VITALE : Occasionally I have bumps in the road, but I certainly get through them much faster than I used to.

KING : Jayne?

PAYNE : I don’t have bad days anymore.

KING : Doctor?

PRATT : Quick recovery with the new techniques.

KING : James?

RAY : I don’t have bad days. I have challenges, butchallenges are a part of life.

KING : James Ray, Jack Canfield, Dr. Joe Vitale — GeorgePratt, Joe Vitale, rather. Dr. George Pratt and Jayne Payneon “Beyond the Power of Positive Thinking.”

We hope you found this show illuminating. We’d love to hearyour comments about it.

We thank you for joining us.


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